https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/21420
His reply to bart ,it's a good thing when these people question each other's opinions leds to progress and further research. That what led bart to agnosticism because of his questioning things and doing further research.
Your thoughts on habermas link ?
You still have not provided independent and verified eyewitnes evidence of jesus resurrection.
https://www.gcrr.org/post/minimalfactsapologetics
Sea breeze please check this link.
Richard Carrier PhD Historian, has YouTube videos and has published many peer reviewed books on the subject of jesus and if he was a real person.
What I meant was that as he is a evangelical Christian who takes the bible seriously and believes that jesus is his saviour, he will be influenced by his beliefs. I heard of a geologist with a PhD still believed that the earth is 6000 years old Influenced by his beliefs.
You have yet to provide independent and verified eyewitnes and historical evidence of the resurrection of jesus at the time it was supposedly happen.
all the big changes for jws since this last fall brought me back to this site, and got me and the wife talking.
just how many things were we not allowed to do growing up as jehovah's witnesses?
we were so used to all the rules, customs, and traditions, that we became used to them.. one site i found claims there are 141 unique rules!!
Anyone would think that they are a high control group, that manipulate and coerce their victims/followers in every aspect of their daily lives.
Sea breeze
Dr Gary habermas is a evangelical Christian so not independent.
When I was a active jw I could have come up with 12 "facts" that prove jws are the true religion, as could you yourself at one time, but the facts prove they are wrong.
Fact is a thing that is known or proved to be true.
The 12 points are not facts ,they seem to be based on the belief that the 4 gospels are eyewitnes accounts they are not ,biblical scholars accept that they are not eyewitnes account and written by unknown authors decades after the so called events and only fragments are available.
Regarding saul / paul and his spiritual experience being a fact that jesus was resurrection.
Muhammad had a spiritual experience so does that mean that Islam true?
Joseph Smith said that god and jesus spoke to him, then a angel gave him golden plates, so does that make the mormon religion is true?
You have yet to provide independent and verified evidence of jesus being resurrected.
Sea breeze
You made a statement that most Christians believe that the resurrection happened, can you please provide evidence that it occurred as I requested in my previous post.
Beth sarim
Was on here a few years ago as fadeaway1962 forgot my password.
Thanks
Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
What independent and verified evidence can you provide to prove that jesus was indeed resurrected. Belief and faith are not evidence.
The four gospels are not eyewitnes accounts as they were written by unknown authors and decades after the so called events. Paul was not a eyewitnes of the resurrection.
So eyewitness accounts that lived at the time of the resurrection and that can be verified eg Jewish Greek and Roman historians.
Many forms of christianity use the carrot and stick approach to exercise control over its believers.
Accept jesus as your saviour and enjoy endless existence in heaven.
Deny jesus as your saviour and suffer for all eternity in hell .
Jws just use a different carrot and stick to control their believes.
for decades, critics have pointed out the unfairness of god slaughtering billions in a future armageddon who never even met a jw much less heard their life-saving message.
(remember the contortions around the collective responsibility of nations?
) also, why do babies and children have to die simply because their parents rejected the witnesses?
Sea breeze
Name one cruel sadistic act performed by a atheist that Also hasn't been done by a Christian.
Name one kind and charitable act performed by a Christian that also has been done by a atheist.
The man made god of the bible only started handing out supposed moral guidance some 6000 years ago (adam and eve and look how that story turned out)what did humanity do before that ? As there's clear evidence that humans have existed on the earth for a lot longer than that.
The prison systems in the Christian world are overflowing many are struggling to keep up with the increased numbers, the vast majority of these inmates will claim membership of a Christian religion or a belief in a god ,very few even taking percentages into account will be atheists.
